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The Nation’s “Start Making Sense” podcast recently featured discussions on significant political and legal issues. Host Jon Wiener introduced two main segments. In the first, Dahlia Lithwick discussed three critical court cases where former President Trump faced substantial legal defeats. Lithwick suggested these defeats could have a ripple effect on other judges’ decisions.
The second segment included a conversation with Sherrod Brown, former senior senator from Ohio, focusing on strategies for Democrats to regain support from working-class voters. Brown, who served as senator from 2006 until recently, reflected on his political approach. He emphasized the importance of listening to workers and involving them in political decisions, rather than imposing pre-set agendas.
Brown discussed how workers are increasingly aware that economic success should not be solely measured by inflation or unemployment rates but by the well-being of the workers themselves. He noted that, in many cases, workers are more productive yet do not share in the wealth they help create. This, he argued, should be the focal point of better policy-making and politics.
Addressing Trump’s past electoral success with working-class voters in Ohio, Brown suggested that voters were seeking change and felt ignored by the Democrats. He pointed out that trade issues, like the NAFTA agreement he opposed since its inception, still resonate negatively with many working-class voters.
On the topic of tariffs and trade under Trump, Brown criticized the approach as being inconsistent and poorly targeted. He argued against returning to previous neoliberal trade policies and advocated for practices that directly benefit American workers, such as targeted tariffs against countries that engage in unfair trade practices.
Brown also evaluated current President Joe Biden’s trade and tariff policies, particularly the integration of tariffs with government support for manufacturing. He acknowledged this approach as a step in the right direction but stressed the need for a more comprehensive industrial policy that includes worker participation.
The discussion shifted to immigration, with Brown dismissing claims about immigrants taking away jobs from native-born citizens, suggesting such narratives often stem from misinformation. He recounted stories of immigrant workers contributing significantly to industries like construction, often outperforming due to their strong work ethic and desire to succeed.
Brown addressed his 2024 electoral defeat, noting that while his opponent’s focus on issues like transgender rights did not directly cause his loss, broader political dynamics, such as Trump’s influence and the national elections, played crucial roles.
Finally, Brown reflected on his future in politics, contemplating a potential return to either the Senate or a gubernatorial run. He indicated that discussions with his family would shape his decision over the coming months.
Throughout, Brown maintained that working-class individuals, who have historically built and sustained the nation, deserve to benefit from economic advancements aligned with their contributions. His commitment to these values continues through his nonprofit, The Dignity of Work Institute.
The podcast also featured Dahlia Lithwick, who analyzed recent legal struggles for Trump, focusing on a ruling regarding the Alien Enemies Act that prevented deportation of Venezuelan migrants. The judge’s permanent injunction was considered a significant legal development.
Lithwick also commented on a case involving Trump’s attack on law firms representing Democratic interests and a Supreme Court decision blocking Trump’s deportation efforts of Venezuelan immigrants. She suggested these legal decisions indicate a shift in the judiciary’s response to Trump’s policies. Lithwick concluded that public protests and grassroots movements are increasingly influencing political landscapes, signaling a broader change in societal and legal arenas.
